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In this episode of the RevOpsAF Podcast, co-host Matthew Volm sits down with Kristina Diederich, a seasoned VP of Revenue Operations with experience at companies like ECI and Varicent, to discuss a critical challenge many revenue teams face - defining and refining their Ideal Customer Profile (ICP).
Many companies fall into the trap of setting their ICP once and never questioning it again.
"Your ICP isn't a set-it-and-forget-it exercise. It needs continuous pressure testing to align with real-world data and customer behavior." — Kristina Diederich
From understanding how to define ICP to recognizing when it's time to adjust, this episode is packed with actionable insights for revenue leaders looking to optimize their go-to-market strategy and maximize sales efficiency.
Your Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) is the blueprint for your best-fit customers - the ones who see the most value from your product, spend the most, and have the highest potential for expansion.
"Your ICP should be based on more than just a gut feeling. It should be backed by data that proves where you're getting the most revenue and retention." — Kristina Deiderich
Many companies make the mistake of assuming their ICP is static, when in reality, customer needs, market conditions, and competitive landscapes shift over time.
📌 Key Takeaway: A well-defined ICP ensures marketing, sales, and customer success teams focus their efforts on the right prospects, shortening sales cycles and boosting win rates.
For a deeper dive into leveraging your ICP across your go-to-market strategy, check out the RevOps Co-op's webinar on Finding and Unleashing the Power of Your ICP Across GTM.
ICP mistakes often stem from assumptions rather than data. Kristina shares an example from a previous company where leadership believed their ICP was companies over $100M in revenue. However, upon analysis, they discovered 40% of their recent closed deals were outside this criteria, including smaller companies with high spending power due to venture capital backing.
🚩 Signs Your ICP Needs an Update:
💡 Action Tip: Review your customer data annually (or even quarterly for fast-growing companies) to ensure your ICP reflects reality, not assumptions.
To assist in this evaluation, consider utilizing the ICP Data Management Checklist.
Defining an ICP requires looking at both company-level and people-level attributes.
🔹 Company-Level Attributes:
🔹 People-Level Attributes:
📌 Key Takeaway: A strong ICP balances both company and people attributes to ensure you’re targeting the right accounts AND the right individuals within those accounts.
For more insights on defining a lead and understanding customer profiles, refer to The Correct Definition of a Lead.
Kristina recommends breaking ICP refinement into three customer segments:
1️⃣ Long-Term Customers:
2️⃣ Recent Wins:
3️⃣ Churned Customers:
By regularly assessing these groups, you can spot patterns and optimize targeting, ensuring your sales and marketing teams focus on the right customers.
🎯 Actionable Tip: If you see churn clustering in a specific industry or company size, it might be time to shift your focus elsewhere.
One of Kristina’s most impactful experiences in redefining ICP came when she pressure-tested an existing ICP assumption and discovered a high-value customer segment that had been overlooked.
By tweaking pricing strategies and go-to-market motions, her team was able to close $500K+ in new deals within five months.
🚀 What Changed?✔ New Sales Motion: A dedicated team focused on this new ICP segment✔ Updated Pricing Strategy: Adjusted packaging to fit these customers' needs✔ Better Enablement: Sales had tailored demos and collateral to speed up deal cycles
📌 Lesson Learned: Sometimes your biggest opportunities aren’t in the customers you’re chasing- but in the ones you’re overlooking.
For strategies on aligning your ICP with your go-to-market efforts, consider the insights shared in the webinar Winning with RevOps and ABM: A Roadmap for Success.
ICP isn’t just a sales or marketing exercise—it’s a revenue growth strategy. The most successful RevOps teams consistently pressure-test assumptions, analyze data, and adjust their ICP to reflect market realities.
🔹 ICP Review Cadence: Annually for most companies, quarterly for fast-moving markets.
🔹 Look Beyond Revenue: Consider **usage patterns, retention rates, and customer feedback.
🔹 Start Small, Then Scale: Test changes with a subset of sales reps before rolling out widely.
"If you aren’t evolving your ICP, you’re leaving money on the table." – Kristina Diederich
By continuously refining your ICP, aligning it with real customer data, and staying agile in your go-to-market approach, RevOps teams can ensure that sales and marketing efforts are focused on the right audience—driving higher win rates, improved retention, and faster revenue growth.
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